On Another Note #1: Hope, Reward, Opportunity? Or Is That Hope, Opportunity, Reward!

There were a few things that caught the interest last week.  The first was that brilliant new slogan (or is it phrase?) generated by Tony Abbott and his NO Coalition to represent the aspirations of a bold new Australia under a Liberal/National Party government.  There it was in all its scatalogical simplicity.  ‘Hope, Reward, Opportunity’.  So, ummm . . . . inspiring?  I suspect that Julie Bishop (that plagiarista extraordinaire) had a hand in the creation of this piece of linguistic beauty.  Take ‘Hope, Faith & Charity’, remove the words connected to religion (hmmm, don’t think we really need to go there at the moment) and to helping those less fortunate, and add ‘Reward’ and ‘Opportunity’ to present a brand new phrase for a brave new world under NO Coalition rule.  Unfortunately I can’t overcome the uncomfortable feeling that Phoney and Julie ‘ had all the right words, but couldn’t quite get them in the right order’.  For some strange reason it seems to make more sense as ‘Hope, Opportunity, Reward’.  But more of that later.

Then there was the commentaries by one ‘Sax’ and another ‘lynot’ on the piece about ‘Miracles And Other Such Stuff’ (https://deknarf.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/en-passant-7-miracles-and-other-such-stuff/) which recalled the days of my youth.

And, finally there were the pieces by Geoff Cooper (www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/thanks-gough-for-giving-us-all-a-chance-20120703-21f98.html) recognising Gough Whitlam, and his Government’s, contribution to education for the masses by abolishing university fees.  And also, Café Whispers (www.cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/we-want-gough) did a piece on Gough praising his contributions to a better Australia.

So here we go in an attempt to merge all these into a somewhat coherent story, whilst attempting to maximise the impact of any derogatory comments made against those that I don’t think particularly well of.  Let’s call it ‘Hope, Opportunity, Reward’ for the sake of well, just for the sake of it!


I was born in 1945, that year when the Second World War ended and the Australian birth rate actually climbed above the death rate.  The latter, from my perspective making that year cohort the first of the Baby Boomers.  My parents had great Hopes for me and we grew up in plentiful times, in a country largely isolated from the world but subject to significant levels of immigration post-war.  From 1949 to 1972 we lived under the rule of Federal Conservative governments which from memory were much given, especially in the earlier years, to elitism, protectionism, and carrying on about the threat of the communist.  These communists were apparently everywhere, and particularly seemed to have a desire to secrete themselves under beds.  I still have no idea why.  To the elitist Conservatives we were very much the ‘Working Class’ (Dad was a ‘Train Driver’) who needed to be taught how to behave, and recognise and pay suitable deference to one’s superiors.

It was lorded over by Sir Robert Menzies (aka Pig Iron Bob) for much of my youth (1949 to 1965), followed by various other unremarkable Conservative leaders of not much gravitas.  Holt stands out for drowning himself, and McMahon for just being a dill really.  Menzies was truly a hard act to follow.  Arthur ‘Cocky’ Calwell was the leader (1960 to 1967) of the Labor Opposition that comes readily to mind.  Overall impression of Calwell, about as useful as a non-slip strip on the bottom of a snow ski.  Most memorable for his comment, ‘two Wongs’ don’t make a White’ during the interminable debates going on in Australia about immigration, particularly Asian immigration.

We were kids growing up, we were happy, there was nothing to fear (if you ignored the Reds and the threat of nuclear annihilation), we saw the Korean War (1950 to 1953) come and go, we got TV (1953) and the ‘Mickey Mouse Show’, as well as the Vietnam War (1962 to 1975).  We saw, on the 14th of February, 1966 the decimalisation of the Australian currency.  We reconfigured motor cars to make them powerful, and noisy.  We were also a deferential lot, well behaved, suitably ‘umble, and we knew our place.  But we were somehow different, the world was a-changing and so were Australians.  We didn’t like the way our world was structured.

In 1962 I started a five year apprenticeship in printing with West Australian Newspapers (WAN).  Like many of my peers we were lucky in that there was a surfeit of jobs for the working class, and we grabbed them.  Thirteen years was spent in the newspaper industry, along with a bit of martial arts learning and teaching along the way.  During the time at WAN I became a unionist (and briefly) a union representative, and by sheer luck missed out on being conscripted to fight in Vietnam.  One of the few lotteries I missed out on and didn’t regret.  Four out of the six who started at WAN with me were not so lucky.

In the latter days of working at WAN the industry was changing with the introduction of new technologies (computerised typesetting and photosetting).  That change continued apace and we now see technology placing the newspaper industry in a world where newspapers as we know them are unlikely to survive.  But I digress.

As the years progressed, we got older, we got to our early twenties and got married and got children, or got children and got married (‘shotgun jobs’ in those days) and got our quarter acres with a house on them.  We were slaves to the conventions of the time given to us from an age gone by.  Inevitably we got divorced (Baby Boomers had a penchant for this practice, and I was one) and during those years the Hope we all had for the future, got a bit battered and bent.  But it still burnt in many, the Hope that they could be something different, something better.  That they could get further educated in a system that restricted tertiary education to those who could pay for it.  And Australia was becoming more liberal in attitudes and thinking and the restrictive shackles of the Conservatives (so inappropriately called Liberals) were becoming irksome and restrictive.  More and more Baby Boomers were coming of voting age and were looking for something different.  Then along came – Opportunity!!


In 1972 Gough Whitlam with Labor’s ‘It’s Time’ campaign saw the conservatives shuffled off to the opposition benches and Labor finally returned to power after some 23 years in the political wilderness.  A feat that they seem to be trying to recreate currently, incidentally.  The Whitlam government saw in many changes which included the elimination of military conscription and criminal execution, universal health care, the implementation of legal aid programs, and, fee-free tertiary (university) education.  Opportunity was presented to those of us who wanted something different, and perhaps better, higher education and a better/brighter future in the pursuit of knowledge.  It was a great moment in Australian political history eventually brought down (1975) by ministerial scandal, a hostile Coalition dominated Senate and a Governor General entirely unfit to perform his duties and the Liberal Party’s Malcolm Fraser (so affectionately known as Kerr’s Cur).

So after a year of study to improve my educational levels I was accepted (1975) into the newly founded Murdoch University.  University was fun, challenging, and without doubt the most experiential part of a life.  We worked hard, we played hard and for most of those ‘mature age’ students they ultimately attained their – Reward.


Some four years later saw the first part of the Reward, a Bachelor of Science (with Honours) in Microbiology.  An offer of a Wool Board Scholarship and another five years of research culminated in a Doctorate in Microbiology and Trace Element Nutrition in Ruminants.

Successive years saw another marriage, a Post-Doctorate research position,  a University Lecturer position, and ultimately an Intellectual Property and Research Management role at Sydney Water with a five year sojourn as a Research Manager in a Co-operative Research Centre.  And now at 67 I’ve finally placed myself in semi-retirement and am enjoying the fruits of the Opportunity that Gough Whitlam gave to me all those years ago.

And in that journey I’ve been given the reward of a brighter, more challenging and interesting life, where I hope that I’ve made a contribution to the undertaking and carriage of science in this country in some small way.  I have benefited from the higher salaries paid for the acquisition of my skills by employers and conversely have contributed to repaying the Opportunity given to me by the payment of higher taxes commensurate with those higher salaries and contributing my skills to make a better Australia.  I’d say that the Whitlam Government’s decision to permit equal access to higher education has been one of the great moments in Australian political history.

So I say ‘Happy Birthday Gough’ and thanks, for turning my Hopes for the future into reality by giving me an Opportunity that I would have never obtained under the Conservatives, to attain higher qualifications thereby Rewarding both myself, my family, Australia and your visionary thinking.

And to Phoney Tony and his NO Coalition I say; ‘You know so little about Hope, Opportunity, Reward that you can’t even get the phrase the right way round!!

About deknarf

Australian born and bred who has spent most of his working life in R&D and IP management with earlier forays in the newspaper industry and martial arts. Fortunate enough to be living in one of the best countries in the World, even though I might get grumpy with it from time to time.
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16 Responses to On Another Note #1: Hope, Reward, Opportunity? Or Is That Hope, Opportunity, Reward!

  1. Sax says:

    The last load of numbers put in to be crunched, so had a look, and will just reply quickly before hitting the sheets.

    Certainly, you’re right about the corruption. BOTH SIDES !
    Hence the introduction by Howard, of those insidious work contracts ? It will be years before we are free of those dammed things. That is what happens, when dopey politicians, after getting their ears p*ssed into by their mates, react without thinking through the consequences.

    History dictates, that you are right about the media for sure, no argument. But times have changed. Look at the technical progression of the internet, hell, just in the last five years. We now watch full fast flowing video, movies, news services from nearly any planet on the globe, and as such, we are free to decide, whether or not our own media is biased one way or the other. That is the freedom we now have, if we get our heads out of our cabooses and sift through what we are fed. That will be the continual problem, and why you are correct. Our own apathy towards the process, will assist the bias ?
    I don’t read newspapers, haven’t for years. With the advent of cable news from the box, internet news from anywhere 24/7, the news in the paper will be at least twelve hours old, by the time you open the plastic on it ? Why bother ?
    British newspapers ? Nah ! As a teenager we had access to the wild tabloids, like “The Truth” that were such a laugh, that it put me off real journalism for years ?

    As for your last para, yep for sure, but deep in the back of my mind comes the old saying ?
    There but for the grace of God go I ?


  2. Sax says:

    The global financial crisis (GFC) or global economic crisis is commonly believed to have begun in July 2007 with the credit crunch, when a loss of confidence by US investors in the value of sub-prime mortgages caused a liquidity crisis. This, in turn, resulted in the US Federal Bank injecting a large amount of capital into financial markets. By September 2008, the crisis had worsened, as stock markets around the globe crashed, and became highly volatile. Consumer confidence hit rock bottom as everyone tightened their belts in fear of what could lie ahead.

    The US economy used to be extremely tied to the fate of their massive industrial/manufacturing sector. With the gradual shifting of these industries overseas, and south to Mexico over the years to save on costs, and rampant unions, that meant that little of any consequence got made in their country. That, and the burst in the housing bubble, and that was pretty much all she wrote. We all saw the pictures, of the copious housing estates, under construction, that were doomed never to be completed ?
    So, wtf happened ?
    Simple really. The US saw itself as the new Switzerland. It wanted to become the world leader in ‘paper’. Stock exchanges, banking, financing and so on. It already had the world bluffed, to consider its currency as the best, most stable on the planet. That had, since ww2 always been the german DM. That was where it made its mistake. Its economy went from a manufacturing base, to a financial one. It had nothing but arrogance to back that move up with. No capital, no natural resources, no oil reserves, and no massive gold reserve to pay for their whims ?

    That is why the fall was so drastic, and so damaging. The world’s currencies have been falling continally over many years. The USD was the only currency, that hadn’t suffered the drop. That had the effect, of making its manufactured goods for export, so expensive in relation to the rest of the worlds economies, they nearly fell into the abyss. That was the gfc !
    It was only those countries, that relied on the US for their income, that nearly sunk with them. We weren’t one of those, thank goodness.

    The US economy will never return to those heady manufacturing pre gfc days. Times have changed, and now, they will have to rethink all they are doing, as we are having to do. Their major manufacturing sector is now in freefall, and doesn’t seem to be improving any time soon.

    Lasse-faire is not dead. The market places are still making the decisions. It is the producers that are making the mistakes, by not giving goods and services, that the market wants anymore. The producers, i.e. USA are sitting there, with no buyers, saying to themselves, where tf did everyone go ? Their customers, tired of being told no, just up, and decided to take their business elsewhere. We know where don’t we ? China ?
    That’s classic lassez-faire presented at its finest.

    Sorry, but I don’t believe you about the media. Those that matter, i.e. those that make the decisions, have access to all forms of news, and the quickest way these days, is over the internet, 24 news outlets and so on. They monitor overseas news outlets now on a 24/7 capability whether it be on the internet, or by watching CNN on cable. Like always, for the media, it is about being first ! The media does not control us. We have choices, nowadays more than ever, to get a more rounded view, and it is only our laziness, and apathy, that prevents us from doing so.

    It is our job to question our leaders, and the decisions they make on our behalf. That is a true democracy in action. That is not bagging the government that again is democracy in action.

    As for violence in the streets, where is your criticism for labor in all of this ?
    Surely, if labor spends the next generation in opposition, under a ‘genius’ like Abbott, who was it that drove an otherwise apathetic electorate, to make that killer decision ? Yikes !


    • lynot says:

      Sax, rampant unions? You are having a laugh. I have visited the States many times they can only dream of the wages and living conditions we have here. Because yes wait for it! Rampant unions. Unions like the armed forces and the police are a necessary evil. You have admitted yourself most of your working life has been spent in the military ipso facto what would you know about the union movement? They don’t have one in the Army, well not when I served.

      Your attempted lesson in U.S. economics is very interesting but hardly anything new. The U.S. economy in manufacturing is still on par with China., and the economy of California alone is much bigger than Australia’s period. The only thing you have right is the U.S. did/ still shipping jobs to China and Mexico. The reason for this is cost cutting. True we can’t compete with China or Mexico, but if you want to live like a working peasant go and live there. As for the banking industry, it is as corrupt as the day is long. To deny what is becoming clearer as each day passes, borders on delusion.

      As for the media, yes you must be right that is why the Brits are having an enquiry into it, with one threatened here. Those that control the media control the masses, and always have. If Murdoch has no influence on the outcome of our democracy why is his interference in it so contentious? It is only rancid right wingers who want the status quo to remain, and contend there isn’t a problem. Rupert Murdoch is on record as saying “I will decide who governs the country” Both sides of politics have treated him like royalty in the past, they know the influence he has. As for you don’t believe me, I give a shit, it’s not my opinion I’m squawking, it is common knowledge. Where have you been?

      As for your apathetic electorate, if you have a media that is telling the plebes 24/7 the government is no good, that shit will stick. It’s what got rid of Whitlam. As I said previous, most of the people that will decide the election think the net is something you catch fish in. As for questioning our leaders, as it stands, that is only happening to the government. The opposition are being allowed to make the most outrageous accusations and opinions, and create fear among the electorate, and given a free ride by a compliant media they more or less own..


    • Sax says:

      BTW thanks for the serious, thought provoking discussion here.
      Makes for a pleasant change of pace, a break from the monotony of paperwork to be done here, and an interesting thought provoking change from you know where ?

      As for rampant unionism, sure, my experience in Oz is third hand at best. But, I did have eyes and ears, and watched the damage from the likes of Gallagher, Moneypenny and gang, and the government’s reluctance to be seen as weak at the time, making the whole thing worse than what it all was ?

      The Oz’s military personnel union, called the Armed Forces Federation (if they are still called that) were about as useful as…….

      The US went through a similar turmoil in that time. I seem to remember a whole swag of disputes, especially in the motor industry over there ? Especially, when the US experienced the influx of japanese imports, as we did ? Again, the system over there, exhibits a lack of security for its workers and all the subsidiary industries concerned. Especially, during the so called energy crisis of the early 80’s ?

      The whole manufacturing base, for not only the manufacturer’s, but also the workers, is so tenuously balanced, that a hiccup in one, dooms them both ? One only has to have watched O’Bama’s rescue packages, for the auto industries over there in times recent ?

      The US’s manufacturing industries, as ours, certainly maybe on par with China’s at the moment, but their ability to treat their workers brutally (for want of a better term), ensures that costs of production there, will always remain far below what the western world can possibly compete with ? You think I don’t know about the motor industry huh ? Remember the devastating effect, of the closure of Chrysler in Australia, had on not only its workers, but the hundreds of smaller industries that fed their factories, that vanished overnight upon the exit ?
      Certainly, the economy of Cal is bigger than ours, but what is it based on ? Income derived from surfies, and border crossings into Mexico ? The dumping of thousands of tonnes of oranges into Australia annually ? Not much else.

      I have always stated that the banking industry is corrupt. I have never said otherwise. What’s more, the governments, that have come to power, since deregulation, of either persuasion, are equally as corrupt, and weak, for not doing that needs to be done, to correct this insidious industry.

      The enquiry into the media in the UK has been on the boards for years, but the power of the unions over there, have prevented grandstanding from either side of the argument. Remember way back the Wapping disputes ? Remember Murdoch getting his a*se kicked ?
      As for your perception that Murdoch decides who wins parliament here. Hmm, don’t agree. The Australian voter is not a dummy anymore. Look at what the labor party had to do, just to keep tenuous hold of the reigns ? As said previously, we don’t just listen to one voice any more. Respective governments here, when attempting to silence opposition, always bangs on an enquiry or witch hunt to their opposition. Thats history.

      I think you should give the old aussie voter, a little more credit, than being only capable of being led around by the nose ? The days of old Rupert flying in, saying he can run the country from his palace from the US, UK, or wherever, are gone. The aussie voter is far more intelligent than they were in the eighties, and rightfully so, are just telling him, and others like him, to just f*ck off ! He may have influence, but he can’t put the pollies out of a job. Only the dumb voter can do that. If we got wind, that one party or the other, was in cohoots with murdoch, they would be voted out for a generation. To prevent just exactly what you are describing, remember the media ownership rules that were changed in the nineties ? Remember what happened when murdoch became a US citizen ? He was forced to sell his Australian holdings.

      As for your media. Partially, but no where near as effective as was times past. The boom of the internet has seen to that. We don’t fall as easily, for the negative campaigns anymore. As for your last about the net, I think you underestimate the power of the net, and even more so, the penetration of the net within our society. Any politician that ignores it, does so at their peril.


      • lynot says:

        Sax the union movement has had its fair share of corruption, but along side business interests they’re boy scouts, a veritable “Mother Teresa”

        We will have to agree to disagree on the influence of the media, it is common knowledge the Murdoch empire is/has been in cahoots with governments. It will be only a matter of time before one of his family members is arrested. They have already started with the underlings, you obviously don’t read British newspapers. My God did I just say that? Yep they’re not at this stage all tainted.

        As far as the other side goes, I only ever went there to take the piss. The guy running it is obviously barking bonkers. He is a narcissistic half wit, with out peer. Still good fun but.
        I sometimes wonder if he is indeed taking the piss himself? I don’t believe anyone could take it that serious, especially by the look of him and his surrounds, he is obviously on the bones of his arse. Oh the irony.

        See ya.


  3. Sax says:

    Sax we do not need a new government. There is nothing wrong with the one we have.

    We have had this discussion many times over the last ‘n’ months, and it is apparent, that you cannot see every serious policy the labor party have formulated, and attempted to implement, over that period of time, has failed. The largest of these being the carbon tax. But that failure, will only reveal itself in time. That failure will also be judged by us all, come the next election. Current figures suggest that I am not the only one saying labor are in serious trouble Lynot ?

    I can’t wait, to see how the ALP number crunchers, are going to “spin” it, (especially the disaster, that is the country’s current bank balance !), to an electorate that is no longer politically ignorant ?

    In the meanwhile, again, whilst on the subject, look at what has happened to that national bank balance. If someone says it is the sole fault of the wfc, they’re dreaming. We have serious financial problems in this country, and labor have historical experience, as to their competence in that department. They are currently using the mining boom, in a frantic attempt to cover that incompetence. The libs managed to rake up a substantial surplus when in power. The GFC has been around for years. How do you explain that ?

    I am employed in the “Green” industry, so as such, I have nothing against the Greens per sae. My complaint with them, is the way they have continually “sold themselves out” to progress their power base and agenda, rather than protecting the environment.

    As to being “right wing”, I don’t think so. I am about as centre as one can get. I have voted for both parties over my voting life. What influences my vote, is performance oriented
    Abbott, as well as the remainder of the libs, are not the answer either. The same old faces inhabit the front benches of both parties. Over the last twenty some years, both parties, have regurgitated the same old faces, time and time again. Hardly an incentive to vote either way is it ?

    My opinion of the labor party’s management skills is mute. It is not only me saying they are financially incompetent, that is pretty much based on historical fact ?
    They were given an extraordinary bank balance when they came to power, and in just three years, managed to squander the bloody lot. The GFC, before you say it, had absolutely nothing to do with it. Our minerals continued to fly out the door, at an alarming rate during this period of time, and massive taxes from those profits continued to flow into government coffers.

    As for the carbon tax, my opinion is based on experience. That does not make me an ‘expert’, as you suggest, rather, ‘informed’ ! It is apparent, that you are not an expert either. So, unfortunately, you, and others like you, are falling for the spin the government, and all the movements, that have a vested interest in the carbon debate, and the massive amounts that are going to be made from it.

    As for the ABC, they are historically renown, for always going after sitting goverments, labor or liberal. They have never been balanced. They do that, to portray to the dumb public, they are not influenced by those that pay their budgets ?

    As for the boozer ? I spent very little time in the officer’s mess during my time. I always found a nice quiet civvy pub to drink at, and stayed away from the pomposity, that was that part of the mess.


    HOPE OPPORTUNITY REWARD will be lost forever should the Australian people make Abbott P.M.

    Agreed, BUT should be balanced by informed decision making, informed fiscal management, without the emotive rhetoric required to bamboozle a dumbed down electorate ?


    • lynot says:

      Sax……….Please mate I could say the same for you, you don’t see the good things the Labor party has achieved in what has been a difficult time.

      As for the GFC are you serious? The GFC I might add is still evolving, and with the latest revelations about the bank of England, there is no telling where all this is going to end. I would say again, because of the despicable media in this country we may never find out the real scale of the problem. That same media incidentally that is currently on the pay role of the conservative forces in this country. Any bugger taking a keen interest in the Leveson enquiry, would have to be mentally deficient not to see the broader ramifications of the Murdoch empire and its influence.

      As for G.W. I hate to repeat myself you are not an expert and like myself can only form an opinion on the opinions on others so qualified to give it. As it stands the scientists around this planet by a country mile, are telling governments there is a problem. How we tackle it, is getting beyond how…It is when. If the carbon tax costs me money so be it. There is no ulterior motive for the scientists, they have been getting grants for studying such things as penile warts and limp dicks.

      As for fiscal management again Sax, you are right about one thing. No matter the outcome of any election, as each day passes the people are waking up to the fact, that the people that control this spinning orb are nothing but a load of corrupt shysters.


    • Sax says:

      You’re right. I am finding it difficult to see the labor positivies.
      Incentive packages, that did nothing except send money overseas to the large screen tv producing countries ?

      The GFC started apparently, in the middle of the last decade in the US. Remember Lehmand Bros ? The sub prime crash ? The overall real estate market collapse in the US ? Worldwide, there were massive amounts invested in the US, at the time, that upon that crash, simply vanished. Bank controls were inadequate, and they got stung. Our banks, looking to make a quick buck, were also stung, when the whole thing went south. That was the GFC. The only difference was, that Australia, was somewhat insulated, as we have different, and far stricter banking laws here, and those differences protected our own banking system from crashing. There was a classic expression at the time, when the US sneezes, the whole world catches a cold. Remember that by any chance ? Due to our stricter banking laws, they quickly rebounded, all be it, on the back of the good ol Aussie battler’s hip pocket ?

      The GFC apparently is over ? As to the accuracy of that who knows. But, what is important to remember, is that the US is the leader in what actually happens economically, on this planet. It’s industries drive this planet. Those industries at the moment, as well as the last few years, have slowed. That had the effect of throwing the US into a mini recession. The ramifications of that may be felt for many years to come, all over the globe. The US markets have to rebound, and only when that happens, will those countries (including us) that rely on those markets also begin to fully rebound.

      You’re correct about the media, but the beauty of the age we are now living in, is that we are no longer the slaves of the Murdochs of this world. News comes from many sources, and hence their greed to buy it all, and their attempts to control the level of information flow has not worked for them. They simply cannot control all of it. That is where the money and more importantly the power is – in the control of the flow of information. That has been the case for years, but with the massive popularity of the internet for example, is where their ambitions will fail. I also think that the average Aussie these days, is a lot more politically savvy, and a whole lot more literate than they ever were, and as such, can usually see right through media censorship, and their attempts to manipulate and control governments. There are simply too many sources for information now, and media companies have no hope in controlling that massive flow ?


      • lynot says:

        Sax the reasons for the GFC were many the sub prime mortgage fiasco only being one of them. It is not over, and it is going to get worse. The U.S. will be lucky if it gets back on track in twenty years, if at all. The neocon, laissez faire and greed at any cost model of capitalism is over. The so called trickle down effect that all conservatives believe in, is utter bollocks.

        The media has total control over the debate in this country, and always has. Sure we have access to other outlets but they are not mainstream. I don’t know anyone in my circle of friends who seek news from the internet. Most of them don’t even know what it is, flippant ? Yes, but true none the less. The media in this country is a sham. The electronic media especially the radio via the shock jocks, is something the good Dr Goebbels would be proud of. Both Gillard and Abbott are cognisant of that fact, it is one of the reasons they both play down the marriage equality debate. Pragmatic? You bet. Gillard unlike Abbott a true believer in pig ignorance, does believe in marriage equality, but because of the media just can’t come out and say it.

        But carry on bagging the government all you like if it suits you, the thought of the alternative scares the bejesus out of me. The only light at the end of the tunnel is, if the Australian people put Abbott in power, it will be the end of the conservatives for a generation. If this nutter Abbott gets a big enough mandate he wont be able to help himself. I predict and hey I never condone anarchy, there will be violence in the streets.


  4. lynot says:

    Sax we do not need a new government. There is nothing wrong with the one we have.

    The only alternative (as it is obvious you don’t like the Greens) is to put in the most right wing reactionary pillock this country has ever produced. The current front bench of her Majesty’s opposition would not have looked out of place at the Nuremberg rallies. I suggest if you want to know anything about our opposition, just pick up one of the many books written by Charles Dickens. All of the characters are there if you look for them. These people are the left overs of medieval bully boys of that there is no doubt.

    The Gillard government has had its faults to be sure, those faults being over exaggerated by an order of magnitude by a compliant media, that is bought and paid for by the supporters of the conservative forces in this country. Even the last bastion of supposed fair and balanced reporting our very own ABC is tainted by right wing goonery. To look at the Gillard government objectively they have done a good job. Your hobby horse about the carbon tax, which in buttressing your own argument by being some kind of expert, which you are not, is nonsense. Your opinion is worth the same as mine. An opinion and 4 bucks will get you a cup of coffee.

    I am also x military, that does not give me any better or worse insight into the workings of the world. I was not isolated from anything except this, most people I served with in the military were by their own admission, rancid right wingers. Granted you could still find some lefties in the lower ranks but they were like diamonds hard to find. Anyone doubting that little tidbit of info, lives in a goldfish bowl. The Gung Ho mentality is alive and well now as it was during the Vietnam conflict which we both obviously remember. As far as high ranking officers were concerned, the officers mess was an extension of the “Old Melbourne Club” Where on a Saturday evening you could still hear them moaning and waxing lyrically about the price of Gin and Cooley labour on the rubber plantations.

    HOPE OPPORTUNITY REWARD will be lost forever should the Australian people make Abbott P.M.

    I feel better already…


  5. I’ve just noticed that someone has clicked through my blog to http://www.tonyabbott.com.au. Should I be:
    a) chuffed that someone opened up the blog for a read,
    b) chuffed that someone actually got partway through the first paragraph of the blog,
    c) miffed that someone clicked through my blog to read a propaganda website about Tony Abbott,
    d) very miffed that they only got to Tony Abbott’s name and then clicked out of the blog, or,
    e) all of the above?


  6. Len Saxby says:

    By the ‘inverted commas’, it appears you were looking for my name, so there it is.
    Hardly earth shattering but ?

    You bring up interesting times. A lot of them I was witness to, and others, I merely read about. As a pom, the parents, were sick of the cold, sick of the uncertain employment prospects of an over industrialised, broke mother country, sick of inhaling coal fumes day and night, and so decided to “hit the boats ?”

    For a youngster, the 60’s was a great time. Until Vietnam, we knew nothing of war, nothing of poverty (at least in Australia anyway), and we had great visions of being able to do anything we put our mind to.
    I was lucky enough to be taught to fly, and get paid for it. Even after a twenty year career, that is still my first love, and passion. Long ago, Australia offered that, and I grabbed it.

    A life of military service, living in the decade that was Vietnam/Cambodia et al, the change of government in 72, brought with it a wave of new hope in Australia. Access to tertiary education for all was another in a long list of programs brought in, that gave our young, and their families, options, and opportunities, they only once dreamed about ? In the military, you are sheltered from a lot from what is happening in the “real world”. So gaps in my recollections, and the accuracy of those recollections is somewhat sketchy at best. So, I envy your memory !

    In my honest opinion, the problems we face now in this country, stem right back to whomever made the decision to open up our markets to those in the world, that have made it their aim, to produce goods cheaper and faster, than we ever could. Countries that we can/could never compete economically with, are now killing, or over running our markets at such a pace that we haven’t a hope. As an easy example, one only has to look at the citrus industry for evidence of that ?

    I am not entirely certain of the aim of your post, but if it is to congratulate Gough, for his energising this country, then I agree. The libs at the time, had become stale, and had run out of vision, but steadfastly, and arrogantly, believed they were still the only party qualified to hold the reigns. The Australian voter knows arrogance when they see it, and are quick to punish it. Our history of being brought up, voting one party forever, are gone thank goodness. Now, our pollies have to get off their a*ses and work for our vote, as it should be ?

    As discussed previously, we need a new government. The labor party have lost their way, and are causing massive damage on their way out the door. As to Abbott being our saviour ? All he will do, is cause unnecessary delay in getting this country out of the red, and back on the right track again ?


    • deknarf says:

      Thanks for the comments Len, I am still of the view that the Liberals, deep down, still retain the view they they are the rulers by right and class. I don’t really believe that the class wars ever disappeared and continue (regretfully) to fester under the surface. The purpose of the post? To thank Gough for giving me an opportunity to break the working class bonds and achieve my potential, to reminisce on what were interesting and exciting times (you and lynot) were responsible for that), and have a go at Phoney Tony and the NO Coalition and their extremely stupid slogan.
      Whilst I might agree with you that Labor has been doing a pretty mediocre job, they have at least in very difficult circumstances (minority government0 achieved a lot of what they set out to do. I’m a firm believer in anthropomorphic global warming and consider that we need to act NOW in changing Australias usage of carbon based combustibles. Despit all the hoo haa from the NO Coalition and other deniers other countries are doing the same (China is working without fanfare to reduce its carbon emissions also). We don’t want to be playing catchup with the rest of the world when we live in a global ‘dog eat dog’ economy.
      Protectionism to this country would be a disaster. We live in a changing world. And I can still recall how it started with ‘Cheap Japanese stuff’, then ‘cheap Korean stuff’, and now its ‘cheap Indian and Chinese stuff’. Eventually it will be ‘cheap Phillipino, Indonesian, etc, etc stuff’. This country needs to move its industries into the smart high tech stuff, not wallow in industries in which we can no longer compete — One reason why a see tertiary education as so important.
      As to ‘Phoney Tony and the NO Coalition’. We may certainly need a new Government but this bunch of Howard ultra-conservatives leftovers are not the people to do it. If you want further free marketeering Americanisation of Australia then these are the pople that will bring it about. I don’t live in America because this country is the best place to live. I don’t want to live in a country that has all the very worst attributes of America.
      Now if Turnbull was the Opposition Leader of a more moderate and socially responsible Coaltion, then I think we would have a real alterantive to Labor.


    • Len Saxby says:

      They were not only interesting times, but turmultuous times ! I was lucky to see them from both sides of the planet, and live through a time that was exciting, magical, and worrysome.

      I am still of the view that the Liberals, deep down, still retain the view they they are the rulers by right and class.

      You’re spot on there, but I feel, ever so slowly though, that the libs are learning the lesson, and are beginning to learn to adapt to a flighty electorate. They are also learning the lesson, (as is labor), that the dumb voter, is a lot better educated, and a whole lot more informed these days. Pollies from both sides though, continually dumb down the electorate, and continually make that mistake. The current generation of voters, is the result of free education, especially access to tertiary education, and as such, are much better educated, better informed, and better taught to reason, and wade through the minutia, that is the politicians life ?

      AGW is real. Certainly. I have always agreed with that, BUT carbon is NOT the main cause. Merely the end result.
      There are many factors invoved. They will show themselves in time, I am most certain of that. It is just a shame that the fix, although relatively easy really, is being ignored, and replaced with political minutia, political opportunism, and ultimately cash grabbing.

      TOTAL protectionism is not the answer, I agree. BUT we have to protect those industries, that are being ruined by imports that are inferior, both in design and quality. Of these, there are many. A few examples ? The fashion/clothing industry. The import of food products, especially fish for example, from filthy asian rivers. The motor industry. We make, and have made great cars here in oz for decades. Another, the electronics industries ? Remember AWA, and PYE ? Wonder where they went ?

      Nearly every other country on the planet, protects its own industries and workers, from invasions of inferior imported products, why should Australia be any different ? Look at the hassles GMH had (btw, an american owned company ?), exporting the commodore to the US ?
      The playing field has to be a fair one on both sides. Australia has always been seen to be the dumping ground of the planet. These countries that export their inferior junk here, have to be told, that will no longer be acceptable. If their product is inferior, no matter how cheaper it may appear, then it won’t get on our shelves. But, that will never happen, as import duty is another major mainstay of broke government coffers.

      We survived after the war, without having to import all and sundry from around the globe, what has happened/changed that we now have massive trade deficits that we can’t afford ?


    • Len Saxby says:

      BTW, for nothing, and as a parting thought ?

      The It’s Time labor campaign of 72 (?) still remains as the best political campaign I have EVER seen in this country !


      • deknarf says:

        I’d certainly agree with you Len, that campaign was a real winner (literally and metaphorically). But I also think that the country was full of ‘changelings’ who wanted to throw of the conservative bonds for something different. Not the bunch of carping/negative/unhappy Hanrahan’s we see about us now.
        Why do I think that we wanted something different? You only have to look at how quickly we reverted to our inherent conservatism and galloped back to the conservatives when we started to fear the change.
        PS: There’s an interesting set of movies/slides on Youtube called ‘Shift Happens’. Have a look if you get the chance. They put things in perspective. I’ve always thought that the first one produced was the best. But the others are not bad either.


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